How Parents Can Build Real Leadership Skills In Kids-pt 1

Bossy isn’t the same thing as bold and loud isn’t the same thing as leadership. We get practical about how kids actually develop leadership skills and what parents can do at home to shape it. Along the way we start with a fun warm-up on fictional leaders, then get serious about what makes someone worth following: honesty, dependability, healthy boundaries, and the courage to do the right thing even when it isn’t popular.

One of the biggest takeaways is that strong leadership is built on self-evaluation. We talk about how to process conflict with kids so they learn to think critically, own their part, and try a better approach next time. That “coachability” becomes real confidence, the kind that doesn’t need to blame others or prove anything. We also unpack the question every parent asks: are leaders born or made? Our answer is both, because some kids have natural pull, but every kid can practice leadership through small moments in sports, school, chores, and friendships.

We also draw a sharp line between being a boss and being a leader. A boss chases control, while a leader uses influence and helps other people feel respected and capable. If your child tends to be bossy, we share simple ways to redirect that energy into healthy leadership by naming intent, teaching empathy, and focusing on how their words land. We wrap with core character traits that support leadership for children, including hard work ethic, perspective, humility, and learning to collaborate instead of going it alone.

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Transcript

Welcome To Brain-Based Parenting

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Brain-Based Parenting, the Boys Ranch podcast for families. We all know how hard being a parent is, and sometimes it feels like there are no good answers to the difficult questions families have when their kids are struggling. Our goal each week will be to try and answer some of those tough questions, utilizing the knowledge, experience, and professional training KamalFarley's Boys Ranch has to offer. Now here is your host, Kam Farley Staff Development Coordinator, Joshua Strom.

Helping Kids Build Leadership

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Welcome back. Today we're going to talk about how to help kids develop their leadership skills. To do that today, I'm again joined by Chloe Hewitt, Youth Programs Administrator.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

Sam Cerna, Assistant Administrator of Residential Communities. Danny Pechtel, Executive Director.

Favorite Fictional Leaders

SPEAKER_03 0:42

All right, let's get into our question of the day. Since we're talking about teaching our kids leadership skills, who's your favorite fictional leader from pop culture?

SPEAKER_02 0:50

Okay, I picked Hermione Granger. And this is why I think I love that like she has a bag and she's prepared for like all the things, but she also prepares for the boys she works with. And so I was like, I don't know. It felt like very much sometimes my role. And so I liked her.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Agreed. I uh I picked Maximus from Gladiator. I I like I like that he was in a terrible position and yet he can see strengths in others and he knows how to command and ask for help. Atticus Finch.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

I it is also one of my favorite books.

SPEAKER_04 1:17

Yeah, I because I cause I because when I think about it is the the way he led was who he was. And so that's kind of why I like the Atticus Fitch, you know, to kill a mockingbird. He's in this terrible situation in this culture, and he's the he's a leader in the culture. Yeah. But he's leader because he's honest and he's truthful and he's real. And he diffuses a volatile situation where he's in a bad spot because he's honest and he's truthful and he's real, and he's not scared to say the true thing, even though it's not the popular thing to say, but he does it in such a real way that everybody loves and respects it. So I think I'm gonna go with Atticus Finch today. That's nice.

What Makes A Good Leader

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Mine's not nearly as cool. Mine's Optimus Prime from Transformers. No, that is cool. Atticus can't turn into a semi. No. He's he's tough, he's confident, he's competent, and he's always gonna do the right thing. So that's why I like Optimus Prime. When we talk about leadership in kids, what are we really talking about? What are the qualities that define a good leader?

SPEAKER_02 2:10

And I think it's different for each of us, right? But I think for me, it's that you aren't afraid to lead by example. I also think it's not afraid to speak up and do the right thing, kind of like what Danny was talking about with Atticus. Like it might not be always the popular opinion, but it's you're speaking up and doing what's right. And I think people really and kids respect that. But also, here's a big one that Sam and I had this conversation this week: not afraid to set boundaries. So I think sometimes in leadership, you have to be able to push back, as Sam and me talked this week. Like if you don't and you just allow a behavior and you don't say, hey, I'm not good with that, then really they might continue to push the boundaries. And so that's also really important in leadership is being able to set boundaries and do the right thing. But I think if I looked at qualities that I think define a good leader, dependability, loyalty, honesty, those are some of the things I would say too.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Yeah, I like I like leaders where I think well, what I look for in a leader is somebody who takes care of everybody, right? So I always equate it to like the a wolf pack, right? People are pack animals, and we gotta look out for everybody because everybody on my team or everybody around me deserves respect, deserves to be cared for, and uh, leaders should do that as well. Take care of themselves, but take care of them, take care of the others first.

SPEAKER_04 3:17

I think for me, and you know, we're talking about kids here. I think about leadership. One of the important things about leaders, and when you realize if they're gonna be really good at it down the line or are they just gonna be forceful, is can they self-evaluate what just happened, realize what they did or didn't do, and make the change. And that's an important part of leadership that people don't always think about is okay, this just went down. Whether it was my fault or not, what did I do? What would I do different? How did I think that through? And also the ability to look at myself and realize everything, what's right and what's wrong, and what do I need to change? Or and that's hard in our culture because we're so used to, well, you gotta be confident, you gotta be whatever, and you do. But true confidence is being able to take that step back and look at myself and truly be coachable. True leaders are coachable, and then when they get really good at it and there's not someone to coach them, they coach themselves and they step back and they look at it. And I think when you look at, you know, if we went sports, right, you look at super successful sports stars. I mean, the coach didn't tell Michael Jordan when he did it wrong, you know why? Because he already knew and he was already working on it. And Tom Brady, you know, Belchak talks about that about him. He was so easy to coach because he already knew what the problem was and he was already working on a fix. And I I think that's when you see kids that realize when it didn't go right and then they start working on the fix on themselves before they work on the fix on the others. I think that's important. And I think that's that's a hard thing in leadership that most people don't understand, but that's what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_02 4:30

I like that. I I've talked about this before on the podcast. I don't remember which one, but my I talked about my dad and how my dad would did that as a child. He would sit me down and say, Okay, I know you had this conflict. How what did you do? Let's process through it. What could you have done differently? Even if he thought I was right, he made me walk through every part of that stuff. And so all that to say is I liked that you can plug that in as a parenting tactic, too, is break down the issue if your kid comes to you with an issue. And sometimes it could be hard because as a kid, I thought he always thinks I'm doing the wrong thing. Now I said that in the podcast before, I realized that he just wanted me to be critically think and then always step back and see my role in the piece. So I think that's a way you could build in some leadership.

SPEAKER_04 5:08

What your dad did there was also teach you to look around the corner. Because when you work with a kid like that and you say, Hey, I know this wasn't your fault, but you need to think this through and really process it like that. The other thing you were learning to do is to see the next thing before it happened. And you were learning to see those things that other people aren't looking for. Get a good job. Get a good job.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

I think so too. I'm gonna I've talked I've talked about my dad a lot on here. I have to send them which ones to listen to. I'm always like, you need to listen.

Born With It Or Built

SPEAKER_03 5:32

So y'all's experience is leadership something people are just naturally born with, or is it primarily a skill that can be developed and practiced over time?

SPEAKER_02 5:39

I think I'm gonna like, I don't know what everybody else is gonna think. I'm really intrigued. I think it's both. So because I think you meet people and you're people and you're like, oh, I want to be around them. I'm drawn to them. So I think that it can sometimes ki people can be born with leadership. And then I think other times it's developed and practice over time. So that's what I think.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Yeah, I think people are born with qualities, like you said, I think there's some people who are just magnetic who uh they just naturally lead. They're not afraid to take a chance or they're not afraid to say, let's go do this, you know. And that's one thing. And but do I do I also believe those people can be cultivated and taught different skill or or improving or sharpening the skill? Sure. I I think I think really anybody can be a leader.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

I think we we're all agreeing yes is the answer. Yeah. But I think we already pulled up Atticus Finch, so we'll grab him one more time here. There was that point where he was talking about some people are just born to do different things. And he was saying some people make better pies. And he goes into that whole thing about it in the end of the book. And I think there are some people that in all skills in life, there's some things that you just can't teach. Either they have it or they don't. But even if they do have the natural leadership, if they're gonna be the true leader that they're supposed to be, they have to learn the other. They have to develop the skill. Yep. But there's also other people that can learn some of those things. But there's some folks that just there's a leadership thing that's born to them that you can't teach.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Well, and I think even for my individually, I look at both my kids and I think about this all the time. My son is kind of a natural follower, like he just is. And my daughter is, man, she is a leader. And I don't think I really knew that till she hit. She was in pre-K out here, and she was always the youngest because she's always been super on to like point. And so they've always moved her up to be with like the advanced kids. So even when she turned three, they moved her to the pre-K class here. And then same at church. And so I didn't know she was a leader until we put her in a and she's in partial care in town. They put her in an all three class. And then they came to me one day and said she's the leader of the entire class. And I was like, What? No one had ever told me that. And then as she's continue to get older, I see it. But all that to say is I I kind of have to work with my son some. He is the oldest on his soccer team right now. And one of the things we sit down and talk about is, hey, you're the oldest now. So you and you know the game. So when you go in and you know it's a corner, I need you to talk to your ki your teammates. Don't kick that ball or throw that ball until your teammates are in the position they are. And you have to, in your behavior, and you're they're looking to you as the leader because you're the oldest. And I watched him all his soccer game. He wouldn't, he lined up, he instructed his whole team where to go last week. And so I think that it is you can lean into what to teaching when you see those traits too.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

My daughters were fairly decent athletes. They had a lot of natural ability. And one of the things I told him that I always told him this that hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

Oh, I love that.

Boss Versus Leader

SPEAKER_03 8:09

Yeah. And there was a time when they didn't have to try at all to beat anyone in anything. But then they got into middle school, high school, and people started to catch up really quickly. So they had to work a little bit harder. I think the same is kind of true with this natural leadership skills. If if kids are just naturally gifted in it, but parents don't sit them down like your dad did and kind of guide them and teach them those critical thinking skills, I think that's a missed opportunity. So, how can we help kids understand the difference between being a boss and being a leader?

SPEAKER_02 8:36

I have to tell you, Josh, this might be one of my favorite questions that you asked on here. Here's why. Because somebody that I really, really respect and think very highly of, and I pick his brain every time I'm around it. And Vince, I'm gonna drop your name. But he came and did this training about leadership. And what he said is it doesn't matter who you are in the organization you can lead. And the reason he says that is because people acknowledge the where you are and how you act towards people, right? And then also I just listened to this podcast that I loved and it was about leadership and kids and how to that it's the same as leadership. Parenting and leadership have so many similarities. But really, a lot of times it's who goes in first, right? Like who's in the front lines, who's in it with them. And so I think it's really cool because sometimes people see a title and they think, oh, then you're the boss and you're a leader. But that doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. You don't have to be the boss to be the leader. I think it's also about how you approach it.

SPEAKER_01 9:24

No, I can I completely agree. It's kind of like the argument between a manager and a and a leader, right? You know, because you know, the a boss who just has a title, really. I mean, you're in charge for some reason. That could be for what any number of reasons, but that, you know, I even mean there's things I don't know. And somebody has that skill, and it's cool that they can take a lead, right? Even if they're even if they work for me, right? If they have a good idea and they have the skill, I'm like, hey, go ahead, take that. You know, I that's not that's not something I'm good at, right? And that's knowing the difference. A boss is just gonna kind of just point and shoot, and you know, maybe I I think, right? And so they just you know, they're not really in it.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

Well, I think some of this when when I read the question, I think of it in a way of the difference between a being a boss and being a leader is a boss is someone that needs control. And and it's all about control. A leader leads through influence. And I think one of the things that I really believe, you know, if we're talking about kids, we're talking about leadership and and we're talking about how things go. Leaders influence. And you don't do it because there's gonna be a consequence behind it, you do it because it's the right thing to do, right? The the motivation isn't coming from the negative place. A good leader stirs within you the internal control to do it yourself. And back when, you know, I was doing lots of therapeutic and RTCs and stuff like that, one of the things they used to hammer home on the staff was look, I didn't hire you to control the kids, I hired you to get to teach the kids to control themselves. We have no control here. All you really have is influence. The only thing you control is you, and once you start figuring out it's about influence, then you can make a different in life as a kids. And and that's something we have to teach kids is hey, look, you don't what you control is you. But how you control you is where the influence is. And you know, my my oldest, he's the quiet kid, he's the whatever, but there's leadership and the influence because the other kids know no, he's a good kid, he's he's whatever, and they can count on him to do different things, but he doesn't do it because he's controlling or he's outgoing or he's loud, it's influence. And I think that's the difference between a boss and a leader. A leader doesn't need the title, yeah. They know what they're doing, and and people want to be there and they want to go with them. A boss needs the control and needs the fear to make it work.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

One of my favorite things that I say a lot is people don't remember what you say, they remember how you you made them feel. And I remember, I think I quoted it in like a staff highlight they did of me like 10 years ago. But I remember saying that like that's all I wanted the kids to remember is how they felt when they were around me. I don't care if they remember half of what I said. Because people, you remember and you're drawn to be around the people who make you feel good and you enjoy being around them. I think the same is true in leadership. You can have a room full of our executive committee. You're gonna want to be around the people you enjoy being around. And so it doesn't necessarily mean that your title or the boss has even all the power in the room if they don't have have it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

So how do you teach that to kids, right? Uh you show that difference between boss and I think you pick out and you give them examples so that they can see it. Well, I want to be that person. Well, how is it like this or is that coach like this? Or is that superhero like this, or is he really like this? And I think the kids need those examples.

Redirecting Bossy Into Healthy

SPEAKER_03 12:09

That transitions greatly to the next question. So sometimes kids who are bossy think that they are leading. So, how can adults redirect that behavior into more healthy leadership?

SPEAKER_02 12:18

So I would venture to say that probably my dad's conversations might have been a little bit of that, to be honest. Just because I think that when I was real, when I was younger, I was pretty like, this is the right way. I was really black and white. And my dad was like, Yeah, but what's your objective, right? And like, why, why are you saying this, but what do you want from this? And so I think that a lot of it to me can be breaking down like, okay, so you said it like this, and you can even playfully redirect it, like, whoa, what's a different way you could go about saying that, right? And then breaking down with them what their goal is of saying it. Because maybe they are trying to do a healthy leadership with that, but then they just don't know how to do it the correct way. So I think kind of critically thinking through what they're wanting and then actually trying to help them get to that because they might not have that skill quite yet.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

I was thinking about when we did that podcast about uh unstructured play recently, and even when kids unstructured play together, somebody always is in charge, you know. So you know what I mean? And so yeah, you had the bossy ones, and sometimes, you know, we just followed along because they were the biggest, or and sometimes we followed along because they had the greatest ideas. Or, you know, so there's lots of reasons, but yeah, the the bossies, I I I wondered, I just think now that they there's something there that they feel the need to can to control it, right? They maybe they want to feel valuable, they want to feel so whatever that is, I do like I leave I do like the thought that we talked about, even though it's instructed that doesn't mean the adults aren't always around, right? So um I like that when we catch them, um, hey, what what were you trying to do when when you said that, or hey the other kids seem upset with you, or whatever that is, and just teach them about how to how do we talk, how do we yeah, because that there's an opportunity there because some kids are just they're budding, they're all kind of budding leaders. I think that they gotta be encouraged when they're trying to take a take a leadership role. Yeah, hey, you did that real good. How do we how do we how do we just ask better so people have a better response to you? Because they got it in them to to want to change the game or do whatever it is that they were gonna do, and so it's all just practice at that age.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

I think you guys have hit all the right nails on those heads. One of the things too is when you get that chance to process with the kid after, you know, like your dad was processing with you. I think the difference between bossy, because sometimes the bossy kid is trying to get the right thing done, right? Right, or they can see the thing and they know what needs to be done, and they're just trying to get the other kids to get it done because they've got that natural thing going. And sometimes it comes across as bossy. It's just talking with them and saying, hey, when you ask people to do that, do you think they felt good about the way you asked them? Or do you feel like they had to do it because you because you felt mean? And which way do you want it? And if you want them to keep doing things because you have good ideas, how can you do that in such a way where they feel like you're on their team when you tell them to do it? Or maybe you don't tell them to do it. How do you how do you do that? But it's it's that process and understanding, getting the kid to start have that empathetic thought of however the situation went down, how did the other kid feel? If I'm leading, how do I make sure the other kid feels good with what how this interaction was? Because then more likely to follow you next time.

Teaching Positive Influence With Examples

SPEAKER_03 14:57

So, Danny, you kind of touched on this already, but Don Maxwell defines leadership as influence, nothing more, nothing less. When we apply this idea to children, how can parents and caregivers intentionally help kids learn to use their influence in a positive, healthy way with their peers?

SPEAKER_01 15:11

I have a story about this, but it's a complete it was a complete accident. It wasn't anything intentional. Or maybe it was, but I wasn't sure. So we used to run in summertime here, we'd have kids to go do, you know, jobs. So we were on a car wash crew this day. So it's two adults just managing anywhere from eight to ten kids from all over the camp. Most of them are I think we had a group of ad we had a group of adolescent boys that that day. And it was a mess. I mean, they're they're not wanting to listen, they're not wanting to do anything at all. And the biggest kid, he had a lot of influence here. He's just sitting around. I mean, he's just part of the problem. He came to me uh later and kind of in the middle of the day, like he's ready to go home and he says, Hey, I'm just gonna go in and go home, sir. Is that all right? And I said, Well, what do you mean? Like, I got I I have to check in with your house parents before we let you go. I can't just send you home because hey man, they don't care. And I said, Well, that I gotta call and check. Like, I gotta do my job. So I called the house parents. Hey, do you guys he's saying he can just go home and hang with you guys if you don't if you don't mind. That's not typical. I think most house parents want to rest. And they said, Sure, yeah, let him come home, right? And I said, Okay, hey, I I'm gonna can you walk or what? And he's like, Yeah, he can walk. Okay. So I I looked at the young man and I said, Hey, um, it appears you have a choice to be here or not, right? And he said, Yes, yes, sir. And I said, Okay, well, hey, listen, man, I want you here. I mean, I you know, if you want to come here, hang out, hang out with the guys and stuff. I said, But you're a leader, man. They look up to you. All these young kids, they do what you do. So if if you want to come, I'd love to have you. I got you all week. But I but then I need you to help me so we can have a good day, man, and get get through this. Because none of us want to just be getting after you guys all the time. And if you got a choice to be here and you don't and you can't do that, I'm okay if you just don't come, man. And or or if you do, let's do it, right? I got you, sir. That's the response I got. The next day comes and we got a heck of a job. Now we're putting wood chips all over the confidence course, right? Our challenge course. And who's carrying the most bags is that young man. Two at a time. He's huge. You know what all the other young men are doing? Carrying bags. We had the best day of work ever. But somebody put it in him. Like me, I guess. You are a leader, man. You you have a lot of influence. And for whatever reason, maybe he respecting me for telling him and be nice about it. And we're in a hard spot. And so, you know what I really appreciate? And that taught me a lot about influence that day.

Core Traits Kids Need To Lead

SPEAKER_02 17:11

I think one of the things I do that kind of is just a thing. We have a life group. I've talked about this before on Sunday nights, and we all house a different home. So one of the things I tell my kids before we get out of the car is you gotta pick up seven toys at the house before we leave. And so it helps the other kids automatically pick up, just because I already told my kids they have seven. And so when they when it's time to go, we say, Hey, I said, Hey, did you get your seven things? Yes. And now, and so that has been something to try and make it because they for some reason think it's fun when I put a number. So each week it's a different number, but they think it's fun that, like, oh, mom told me seven. And but really all I'm doing is making sure they clean up after themselves to another person's house. But it's an idea that influences the rest of their peers to pick up as well.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

So, what core character traits form the foundation of strong leadership? Things like responsibility, integrity, humility, and courage.

SPEAKER_04 17:55

I think we I talked about this a little bit earlier. One of the things that's most important for kids to build strong leadership traits is the ability to self-evaluate and the and and then the ability to think through the problem. And a little bit of empathy. If they can understand how other people are thinking and feeling, they can think through that problem, and then they can look at themselves and figure out what they need to do different or what they need to continue doing, then the other things build. Because if you can do those, responsibility, integrity, humility, and courage come because you gotta have those things to be able to do those things. And so I think that's big. And if kids can learn that, then the other things come easy.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

One of the things that I want to add to this list that's really important to me and my husband with our kids is hard work ethic. And so my son and my daughter, but my daughter's not quite in school yet, but both of them know there's a very high expectation on their homework being done and their practices. And so my son knows he has to get home, do his homework, and he has about 45 minutes even for a first grader. And so um, he knows I gotta do all that right when I get home before I get my other privilege. Like, right? I don't get to watch TV till this is done. And I didn't think it was a big deal. Like it's how I grew up. So, but my sister recently came to visit and she has a three and a one-year-old. And so she says, when she goes to leave, she said, I want you to hear me say that watching you parent and your ability to put that on him or when he's in soccer, the his expectations, she said, it's just kind of cool. I don't think you stop and give yourself enough credit about what. I mean, it's not always easy, right? Every day is a battle, and usually when my husband is at work, it's more of a battle for me. But I think that's also a big trait with leadership, right? Is that hard work and even in the workforce, because we've talked about leadership, isn't necessarily that you're the boss, but in the workforce, if you have a hard work ethic and your peers know that, that's also an influence. And so that is something that's also a foundation is start with small. So my son does piano lessons, and what I love is it's this probably lady in her 70s at her house every week, but she told my son on his first day, you will practice a minimum of four days a week. And she gave him a book that has every day of the week and he has to mark off what days he practiced. And one day he didn't do it. And I had given him, I gave him a reminder, didn't do it. And he was so embarrassed to go to her house, he tried to color it in. We said, No, you will not lie that you only had three days. But I but I think that that's important that they know the expectations for hard work ethic too.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Yeah, I was thinking of perspective, right? I think it's something with a leader, you you can't just see things one way. You you know, there's all these perspectives. Well, I was given a small leadership position in a in a in high school uh for an ROTC program. They made me the flight leader for a thing, and I had no idea why they did it, and I didn't know uh anything how to be a leader. And I remember I knew how to march, I knew how to do like I I think that's why they did it. I knew the I knew the program, I knew how to do it, I knew how to teach it. But then they put me in charge of this thing. And I remember this one day I was we were doing stuff and then I was kind of joking around, right? So I'd make the I'd make the flight laugh stuff, but uh my the the actual leader, the the teacher, didn't find it funny, and he pulled me aside and gave me perspective. And he said, Hey, I know you think it's it's funny, you know, because it they're your friends, but that's not why I put you here. You know, we have a mission to complete. We got we got they gotta learn how to do these things, and you're you're responsible for it. So at the time I had a kid's perspective. I had I was in the flight before, and now I'm not in the flight. And I had to learn that, oh, I'm set apart now and I'm responsible for if they fail or don't fail, it's on me. And so I didn't have that perspective. I was really happy when now he didn't say it in the nicest way, but I got the point. I knew what he was saying. That was a tough hit thing for me to hear because my natural state is joking around and playing, and then he he told me, Hey, you need to do this, or I will find somebody who will, right? And I said, No, no, I said I can do that, I just didn't know. He says, Well, that's what I'm telling you, right? So he gave me a whole different perspective, you know. And then I go home and tell my mom, and she gives me a perspective. And it, you know, so it's kind of neat seeing all the different things. So I, you know, as a leader, I can't just assume what people think, what people think. You know, you know, I I can I although I've been a houseprint, I can't assume what they're thinking right now. They're not me. And I only have my perspective. And then sometimes when I talk to another leader, they see it a whole different way. They're like, hey, did you did you consider this, Ann? Like, oh, I didn't consider that. Wow. So it's all you're also about not being alone. Leaders got to learn how to collaborate with other leaders.

Takeaways And How To Connect

SPEAKER_03 21:40

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